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Is it really partisan to point out that Republicans took anti-vaxxing to be practically their identifying feature?


Most anti-vaxxers I know are far left, and most republicans I know have all the other historic vaccines for school and travel, but are more suspicious of the Covid ones due in part to the lack of discussion about natural immunity in the US context (most of them who already had covid don’t want to get the vaccine since they do t think it is worth their time).


Is the problem the lack of discussion or the spread of fake news, disinformation and fear mongering in the US?

Most/all western countries have higher vax rate than the US (and survey says that vaccine usage is lower among republicans in the US), why is that?

You really think it’s due to lack of discussion on natural immunity?


Nobody wants to have a discussion about [enter argument of the month here] because it's all BS partisan politics motivated by the right's outright disdain for all things liberal in America.

The problem isn't a lack of understanding or research for new vaccines, the problem is anti-intellectualism running rampant.


“Nobody wants to have a discussion about [enter argument of the month here] because it's all BS partisan politics motivated by the right's outright disdain for all things liberal in America.”

That is one view, and I have heard the opposite (switch the words right with liberal in this statement).

Unfortunately the truth is lost in the medium of dialog, e.g. see the recent surveys showing how those that watch the media most are also the most misinformed about the risk of covid hospitalizations (>50%??).


The previous administration made this political, and the pandora's box already have been opened. People were swearing they won't take vaccine, before it was even available.

Look at countries where pandemic is not political.


>(25 Feb 2020) U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took a walking tour of San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to let the public know the neighborhood is safe and open for business.

>Pelosi, a Democrat who represents the heavily Chinese American city, visited the Golden Gate Fortune Cookie Factory, whose owner Kevin Chan, says his business and others are down 70% since the outbreak of the new coronavirus.

>"You should come to Chinatown," Pelosi said before stopping to lunch at Dim Sum Corner.

>"Precautions have been taken by our city, we know that there's concern about tourism, traveling all throughout the world, but we think it's very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come," she said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEfSHeH4Lc

Not just the previous administration.

This is what is tiring about threads like this, you have partisans on both sides all going "Not me and my side, it was all the other guys."


At that point no businesses US were closed because of covid, but Chinese businesses were unproportionally hurt because president called covid a "china virus".

You're trying to smear somebody that they are making it political while they are actually trying to unpoliticize it.

This was before emrgency was declared. And only 8 people were confirmed in California. Check the timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pande...


Again, "Not me and my side, it was all the other guys."

The Washington Post reported that six other countries had restricted travel from China before January 30, six did so on January 31, and by the time U.S. travel restrictions became effective on February 2, 38 other countries had taken action before or at the same time as the U.S. restrictions.

In what universe does telling people to get out and gather in groups make sense when there is a pandemic looming.

Looking at the timeline: "The first case of community transmission, because it had no known origin, is confirmed in Solano County, California, on February 26."

So the day after the call to gather, you have confirmed community spread.


IIRC Italy had a similar issue, where authorities initially tried to encourage gatherings to downplay Covid and made public events themselves for PR, there was a "Milan doesn't stop" campaign, etc - while (in hindsight) those were the key weeks where very rapid spread was happening, causing thousands of deaths afterwards


> Looking at the timeline: "The first case of community transmission, because it had no known origin, is confirmed in Solano County, California, on February 26."

Wasn't there a community-spread case in Seattle a little earlier than that?


Agreed, it's especially ridiculous that they said Trump should have been advocating for the vaccine when he did and still does.




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